I Got One For You For-Basketball-Change of Possession

**pvfan** · December 14th, 2007, 01:08 PM

Thats how I've always understood the rule, the way others were explaining it made no sense at all. I hope this thread shows why basketball officiating is for the most part horrible in this area.

**imported_aoaofficial** · December 14th, 2007, 02:47 PM

A1 is the person throwing the ball in. In basketball we don't call them A55 or A12 like we do in football. A1 through A5 are the players on the floor and A6 and up will be the players on the bench.

**1inStripes** · December 14th, 2007, 03:10 PM

That is what I was figuring, and it makes since.

**imported_Rocket Scientist** · December 14th, 2007, 04:09 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PVFAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's how I've always understood the rule, the way others were explaining it made no sense at all. I hope this thread shows why basketball officiating is for the most part horrible in this area. </div></div>
PVFAN, your insults towards the officials show that YOU have NO CLUE regarding the rules of basketball. You can not back up a single thing you say with a valid rule interpretation. I sincerely doubt that you have ever seen a rule book. Why don't you get off your butt, put on a shirt and whistle, and enlighten the rest of us as to your vast knowledge of the game. I am assuming that you are capable of running and thinking at the same time. Officials have a better understanding of the rules than you do and I will guarantee they had a better look at anything you say they missed. This area has some of the best officials in the state, if you don't like them, do us all a favor and stay home on game night. The refs, players, and people sitting near you will greatly appreciate it.

**CoeburnCane** · December 14th, 2007, 05:57 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Albert E</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PVFAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That’s how I've always understood the rule, the way others were explaining it made no sense at all. I hope this thread shows why basketball officiating is for the most part horrible in this area. </div></div>
PVFAN, your insults towards the officials show that YOU have NO CLUE regarding the rules of basketball. You can not back up a single thing you say with a valid rule interpretation. I sincerely doubt that you have ever seen a rule book. Why don't you get off your butt, put on a shirt and whistle, and enlighten the rest of us as to your vast knowledge of the game. I am assuming that you are capable of running and thinking at the same time. Officials have a better understanding of the rules than you do and I will guarantee they had a better look at anything you say they missed. This area has some of the best officials in the state, if you don't like them, do us all a favor and stay home on game night. The refs, players, and people sitting near you will greatly appreciate it.
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Whatever happened to free speech?

Also...last I checked refs around here got paid to do games by the schools...and the money from the ticket sales goes to the schools...so that means some money goes to the refs straight from the fans. The only ones in the gym making money during that point in time. I think that gives fans a right to be critical, especially if they follow the game rather closely and know a lot about it.

Sure--a rule book would help in interpretive situations like on this thread--but there's a lot of these "best officials in the state" in this area that don't know what a walk is, what a charge is, and apply the rules unevenly on a nightly basis. Even a layman can see that.

When you're not making money at it and doing it out of the goodness of your own heart, I'll buy your defensive holier-than-thou stance. Til then, take those tiny violins elsewhere.

December 14th, 2007, 09:00 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CoeburnCane</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slobber Knocker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Something else....if a dribbler is bigger, stronger, and faster than the defender and he is approaching or going in for a lay-up..outside the paint..the defender hand checks him (or rides him), I usually will not call that. I just let the offensive guy make the lay up. If you blow the whistle outside as he is making the approach to the goal, you have given the defender the edge by blowing the whistle and stoping a potential two points. It is better to let the offensive man have the points than let them have the ball out of bounds.</div></div>

So, you will "be there to enforce the rules", but only if they make sense to you in the given situation. Interesting. Kind of knocks you off that high & mighty refs pedestal you were balancing on.

If I were a coach, I'd rather you call it and let my kid go to the line and hit his free throws, and get the team fouls up on my opponent and the personal fouls up on the defender. I'll take my chances on scoring off the inbounds, you just have to call it as it is. I'd much rather get the ball back or hit free throws while the opponent's foul total goes up than 2 points off a layup and a no-call. </div></div>
Here Ab, is a great example of why it is so hard to coach a game in this area. Are we gonna play for the "warning" or go for the whole "foul" or should we just put a big guy out there and hope to get the lay-up , when he doesn't call the foul 'cause the defender is smaller? See my (and Cane's)point? [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif[/img]

**imported_aoaofficial** · December 14th, 2007, 11:51 PM

My mistake on th ealternating possession. The arrow does change when the throw in ends and the throw in team will not lose the arrow on a foul by either team. I didn't have my book with me when I answered earlier and looked it up later today.

**pvfan** · December 15th, 2007, 01:16 AM

Albert, I looked in the rulebook today and it clearly states the arrow is moved when the ball is touched legally in bounds or there is a violation. If you'd like to continue to say this wrong please open teh Basketball Rules Book where this is clearly stated.

**pvfan** · December 15th, 2007, 01:25 AM

For further clairifcation please Check rule 6.4.5
The opportunity to make an alternating-possession throw-in is lost if the throw-in team violates. Or Team A violated so they loose the arrow.
Case book 9.2.8

Again, officials in this area get on the internet and argue rules they are clearly wrong on. Speaks very highly for the quality of officials in this area. To the officals who do a great job I hope you can teach some of these guys the rules.